Look, I’m just gonna say it—when I first heard the term “sugar baby” back in 2015, I thought it was some kind of trendy nickname for a millennial with expensive taste. Spoiler alert: I was kinda right, but also wildly off base.
After eight years navigating this world—from awkward first dates at The Modern in NYC to figuring out allowance talks over espresso martinis in Miami—I’ve learned that being a sugar baby is one of the most misunderstood roles out there. And honestly? That confusion costs people. It costs women who dive in without knowing what they’re actually signing up for, and it costs men who think they can just throw money around without understanding the human being on the other side of the arrangement.
So here’s what this article actually is: the guide I wish someone had handed me before my first meet-and-greet at Soho House. Not the sanitized, corporate-speak version you’ll find on some lifestyle blog, but the real, sometimes messy, always honest breakdown of what it means to be a sugar baby in 2025.
What Actually Defines a Sugar Baby? (Hint: It’s Not What You Think)
Here’s the textbook answer: A sugar baby is someone who enters a mutually beneficial relationship—usually with an older, financially established person—where companionship, emotional connection, and sometimes intimacy are exchanged for financial support, mentorship, experiences, or gifts.
But that definition? It’s like describing Paris as “a city in France.” Technically true, completely missing the point.
The reality I’ve lived is way more nuanced. A sugar baby isn’t just someone getting paid to look pretty at dinner (though yes, that can be part of it). In my experience, successful sugar babies are more like… emotional curators. We create spaces where successful men can drop the CEO persona and just be. We’re the person who remembers they hate cilantro, who actually listens when they talk about the pressure of a board meeting, who brings lightness to lives that are often heavy with responsibility.
I remember this one arrangement I had with a tech founder in San Francisco—let’s call him David. On paper, I was there for dinners at Gary Danko and weekend trips to Napa. But what he actually needed? Someone who didn’t give a damn about his Series B funding. Someone who’d laugh at his terrible dad jokes and remind him what spontaneity felt like. The financial support was the framework, but the relationship was the substance.
And here’s where people get it twisted: this isn’t escorting. It’s not a transaction where you show up, perform a service, and leave. The best arrangements I’ve had felt like… dating, but with radical honesty about what each person brings to the table. He brought financial stability and life experience. I brought energy, genuine affection, and a fresh perspective on his world.
What both sides frequently misunderstand is the emotional labor involved. Sugar daddies sometimes think they’re just “helping out a pretty girl.” Sugar babies sometimes think they can just show up and collect. Both are wrong. This dynamic requires actual connection, communication, and—yeah, I’m gonna say it—care for the other person.
Dr. Wednesday Martin, anthropologist and author of “Untrue,” has noted that transactional relationships with clear expectations can actually be more honest than traditional dating where financial dynamics exist but remain unspoken. And honestly? After watching friends navigate “regular” relationships where money was always this weird elephant in the room, I tend to agree.
Why Women Actually Become Sugar Babies (Beyond the Obvious)
Let’s get the surface-level stuff out of the way first: Yes, financial support is a major draw. I’m not gonna pretend I entered this world because I loved the thrill of companionship. I had $47,000 in student loans, was living in a shoebox in Brooklyn, and working a marketing job that barely covered rent.
But here’s what nobody talks about—the financial freedom is just the entry point. What kept me in the bowl, what made me choose this over climbing some corporate ladder, were the intangibles:
Flexibility I’d never get in a traditional career path. When I was 25, I took a three-week trip to Italy with an arrangement partner. Try asking for that PTO at a junior marketing role. The flexibility meant I could take risks—like starting my consulting business—that I couldn’t have afforded otherwise.
Access to worlds I’d never otherwise enter. I’ve had dinner with a Pulitzer Prize winner, attended private gallery openings in Chelsea, learned about commercial real estate over cocktails at The Polo Bar. These weren’t just “experiences”—they fundamentally changed how I saw the world and what I believed was possible for myself.
Mentorship that actually meant something. One of my arrangement partners was a private equity guy who taught me more about negotiation and financial literacy in six months than I learned in four years of college. He reviewed my business plan, introduced me to contacts, treated my ambitions as seriously as his own deals.
Look, I’ve also met sugar babies who are purely in it for designer bags and bottle service. No judgment—everyone’s motivations are valid. But the arrangements that last, the ones that feel good for both people, usually have deeper drivers than just cash exchange.
Where things often go wrong: Sugar babies who aren’t honest with themselves about their motivations. If you’re doing this but resenting every minute because you think you “should” have a different kind of relationship, you’re gonna be miserable. If you’re lying to yourself that it’s “just about the money” when you’re actually developing real feelings, you’re setting yourself up for heartbreak.
Helen Fisher, biological anthropologist and relationship expert, has extensively studied how we form attachments. Her research shows that we’re wired to bond with people we’re intimate with—emotionally, physically, or both. Sugar babies who go in thinking they can completely compartmentalize often learn this the hard way.
The Spectrum: Different Types of Sugar Baby Arrangements
So here’s something that confused the hell out of me when I started: there’s no single template for what a sugar baby “does.” It’s more like a spectrum, and where you land depends on what both people negotiate.
The Platonic Arrangement: Yes, platonic sugar relationships actually exist. I had one early on with a divorced executive in Chicago who literally just wanted someone to go to the opera with and have intellectually stimulating dinners. No physical intimacy, just genuine companionship. His allowance was lower than others I’ve had, but the emotional labor was also significantly less intensive.
The Girlfriend Experience: This is what most arrangements fall into. You’re essentially dating, but with clear financial terms. Regular dates, intimacy, emotional availability—but with defined boundaries around time and expectations. My longest arrangement (two and a half years) was this type. We texted daily, saw each other twice a week, traveled together. It felt like a relationship because it was one, just with unusual scaffolding.
The Pay-Per-Meet: More transactional, usually for both parties who want lower emotional investment. You meet for dates, maybe intimacy, and receive a set amount each time. Less ongoing communication, more focused on the moments you’re together. This worked for me during a phase when I was focused on building my business and couldn’t do the emotional labor of something more involved.
The Live-In/Full-Time Situation: Rarer, but I’ve known women who essentially became live-in partners with an allowance. This requires serious compatibility and clear boundaries, because you’re mixing the financial dynamic with nearly constant proximity.
Here’s what I wish I’d understood earlier: You don’t have to choose one model forever. My first year, I was doing pay-per-meet because I was terrified of commitment. By year three, I wanted something that felt more like actual dating. Both were valid for where I was at the time.
The friction usually comes when expectations don’t match reality. You think you’re signing up for casual dates, he thinks he’s getting a full girlfriend experience. You want emotional connection, he wants strictly NSA (no strings attached). This is why that first meeting is so damn critical—you’re literally negotiating the terms of your dynamic.
What Sugar Daddies Actually Want (From Someone Who’s Dated Dozens)
Okay, real talk from the other side of the table, because understanding your arrangement partner’s perspective is half the game.
After years of dates with finance guys, tech founders, real estate investors, and entertainment industry executives, here’s what I’ve learned they’re actually looking for:
Ease. God, this one took me forever to understand. These men can afford anything, go anywhere, date conventionally if they wanted. What they often can’t buy in traditional dating? The absence of drama, expectations about marriage and kids, jealousy about their demanding careers. The arrangement structure—when done right—offers companionship without the complexity that comes with conventional relationships at their life stage.
I remember a conversation with a divorced real estate guy in Miami—we were at Zuma, overlooking the water—and he said something that stuck with me: “My ex-wife resented every business dinner, every weekend I worked. You get that my work is part of who I am. That’s worth more than you probably realize.”
Genuine affection, not performance. Here’s the paradox: they’re paying for your time, but they don’t want it to feel paid for. The sugar babies who succeed long-term aren’t the ones who treat it like a job they clock into. They’re the ones who actually like their person and let that show.
I’m not saying fake feelings—I’m saying be selective about arrangements you enter so the affection can be real. One of my arrangement partners told me he’d dated other sugar babies who were “technically perfect but completely hollow.” The difference with us, he said, was that I laughed at his stories because I was genuinely entertained, not because I felt obligated.
Discretion, but not secrecy. Most sugar daddies value privacy intensely—for professional reasons, family situations, or just personal preference. But there’s a difference between discretion (not posting couple pics on Instagram) and making you feel like a dirty secret (never introducing you to anyone in any context). Healthy arrangements honor the need for privacy without making the sugar baby feel devalued.
Someone who brings something to their world. This sounds obvious, but it’s not about being arm candy. The arrangements I’ve seen last are where the sugar baby actually enhances the daddy’s life in specific ways. Maybe you’re great at social situations and make networking events more enjoyable. Maybe you’re adventurous and push him out of his routine. Maybe you’re intellectually curious and ask questions that make him think differently.
One of my arrangement partners was in entertainment—constantly surrounded by people wanting something from him. What I brought? I literally didn’t care about his industry connections. We’d spend hours talking about history, philosophy, random shit that had nothing to do with his work. That space where he wasn’t “on” was what he valued most.
Relationship researcher Dr. John Gottman’s work on successful partnerships emphasizes the importance of “turning toward” your partner’s bids for connection. In sugar relationships, this translates to actually engaging with your person—not just being physically present but emotionally available in the ways you’ve agreed to be.
The Stuff Nobody Warns You About (But I’m Gonna)
Alright, time for the real real. The stuff that doesn’t make it into the glossy “become a sugar baby” marketing but that you absolutely need to know:
You will probably catch feelings at some point. Even if you go in swearing you won’t, even if the terms are crystal clear, spending intimate time with someone who treats you well has a way of bypassing your logical brain. I’ve been there—that moment when you realize you’re checking your phone hoping it’s him, when “just an arrangement” starts feeling like more.
This isn’t failure, it’s human. The question is what you do with those feelings. Can you sit with them without demanding the arrangement become something it’s not? Can you communicate honestly without ultimatums? I’ve navigated this both successfully (feelings acknowledged, boundaries maintained) and unsuccessfully (feelings denied until they exploded). Guess which one was healthier?
The judgment is real and it comes from unexpected places. I’ve lost friendships over my choices. I’ve had other women—women—call me every variation of anti-feminist insult you can imagine. The judgment from men who think you owe them the same arrangement is somehow even grosser.
Building a support system is critical. For me, that meant other women in the bowl who understood the complexity, a therapist who didn’t pearl-clutch at my lifestyle, and eventually just getting comfortable with the fact that some people will never get it. Their limited imagination isn’t my problem.
Financial dependence is a real trap. This is the one thing I’ll get on a soapbox about: never, ever, EVER let a sugar daddy become your only income source without an exit strategy. The power dynamic gets dangerous when you can’t afford to walk away.
I’ve seen women stay in arrangements that turned toxic because they’d built a lifestyle they couldn’t maintain otherwise. I’ve watched the financial dependence erode their ability to negotiate, to enforce boundaries, to leave when things got bad. Some of the most important advice I give: have your own shit. Your own income stream, even if it’s smaller. Your own savings that he doesn’t know about. Your own exit plan.
This isn’t pessimism—it’s pragmatism. The best arrangements are the ones you could walk away from if you needed to. That freedom is what keeps the dynamic healthy.
Your boundaries will be tested. Not always maliciously—sometimes just through the natural evolution of an arrangement. He wants more time, you want more financial support. He’s developing feelings and wants exclusivity, you value your freedom. She wants to attend a family event, he’s not ready for that visibility.
The successful sugar babies I know are the ones who learned to hold their boundaries kindly but firmly. “I care about you, and I’m not available for daily texting” is a complete sentence. “I’m happy to attend events, but I’m not comfortable meeting your family given our arrangement” is valid. You can honor the relationship while still protecting what you need.
The Practical Stuff: Allowances, Safety, and Setting Terms
Let’s talk logistics, because the emotional stuff means nothing if you don’t handle the practical side smartly.
The allowance conversation is gonna be awkward no matter what. I’m eight years in and it still makes me slightly uncomfortable. But you know what’s more uncomfortable? Being undervalued or dealing with financial uncertainty.
Here’s my approach, refined through way too many first dates: let him bring up numbers first if possible, but have your range ready. Research your city’s norms (yes, there are regional differences—San Francisco and NYC allowances look different than Dallas or Phoenix). Know your minimum—the number below which it’s not worth your time and emotional energy.
When I was starting out in NYC, my range was $3,000-$5,000 monthly for a girlfriend experience arrangement (2-3 meets per week, regular communication). In Miami where I moved later, comparable arrangements were more like $4,000-$6,000. These numbers shift with inflation, your experience, your location, and what you’re offering.
Script that’s worked for me: “I’m looking for something in the range of [X-Y] monthly, depending on how much time we’re spending together and what the expectations are. Does that align with what you had in mind?” Then shut up and let him respond. The discomfort you feel in that silence is your growth edge.
Cash, Venmo, or bank transfer? Each has implications. Cash is discreet and immediate but can be impractical for larger amounts. Digital transfers leave paper trails that can complicate taxes (yes, you’re supposed to report this income—whether you do is between you and your conscience/accountant). Some sugar babies prefer the gift route—he pays rent directly, buys specific items, covers tuition.
I’ve done all of the above at different points. My advice about managing allowance and banking: whatever method you choose, get it in a reliable rhythm. Monthly is standard, but some prefer bi-weekly or per-meet. Inconsistency in financial support is a massive red flag—if he’s “forgetting” or making excuses, you have your answer about his respect for the arrangement.
Safety protocols are non-negotiable. I don’t care how charming he is or how fancy the restaurant he picked is. Basic safety measures every single time:
- First meeting is always in a public place, preferably somewhere you choose
- Someone knows where you are—I text a friend the name, photo, and phone number of every new person I meet
- Trust your gut viscerally. That weird feeling? Honor it. I’ve walked out of meet-and-greets when something felt off, even if I couldn’t articulate why
- Google the hell out of them. Reverse image search their photos, verify their LinkedIn exists and matches their story, search their phone number
- No private residences until you’ve established trust over multiple public dates
I know women who use separate Google Voice numbers for initial contact, who have check-in systems with friends, who won’t get in a car with someone until they’ve met multiple times. None of this is paranoia—it’s basic risk management in a dynamic where power imbalances exist.
Set terms explicitly before you’re in too deep. This means discussing:
- Frequency of meets (how many times per week/month?)
- Communication expectations (daily texts or just scheduling logistics?)
- Exclusivity on both sides (are you seeing other people, is he?)
- Physical intimacy expectations and boundaries
- Public vs. private time (will you attend events, meet friends, keep it totally private?)
- Duration—is this ongoing until someone ends it, or a defined period?
Yeah, it’s a lot to cover. But I learned the hard way that assumptions lead to resentment. The arrangement I had that lasted over two years? We spent our entire second date mapping all this out over wine at Gramercy Tavern. Felt weirdly formal at the time, saved us countless conflicts later.
How to Actually Succeed as a Sugar Baby (Beyond Just Showing Up)
Alright, so you understand what a sugar baby is, you’ve thought about your motivations, you know the practical stuff. How do you actually thrive in this world instead of just surviving it?
Invest in yourself relentlessly. The financial support isn’t just for rent and handbags—though yes, treat yourself, you’ve earned it. The sugar babies I’ve seen build actual sustainable lives use arrangement income strategically: paying off debt, building savings, starting businesses, funding education, creating passive income streams.
I used my first year of allowances to obliterate my student loans. Second year went into savings and a course on digital marketing that eventually led to my consulting business. By year three, the allowance was supplementing income I was generating myself, not replacing it. That shift from dependence to enhancement is everything.
Develop actual interests and personality. Look, I’m gonna be blunt—pretty and young will only get you so far. The arrangements that lasted and evolved were the ones where I brought something beyond aesthetics to the table.
Read books. Develop opinions. Get passionate about something, literally anything. Learn about wine, or art, or geopolitics, or architecture. Ask questions. Be curious about his world but have your own too. The sugar babies I’ve known who struggled were often the ones who treated themselves as accessories to someone else’s life instead of full humans with their own texture.
Communication skills will make or break you. This means being able to:
- Express needs without being demanding (“I’d love if we could plan our next trip soon” vs. “Why haven’t you booked anything?”)
- Set boundaries without apologizing excessively (“That doesn’t work for me” is sufficient)
- Navigate conflict without dramatic exits or silent treatment
- Show appreciation genuinely (specific gratitude for actual things, not generic “thank yous”)
- Be honest about feelings when they shift, even when it’s uncomfortable
I’ve watched arrangements implode because neither person could have a direct conversation. Someone felt undervalued but couldn’t articulate it. Someone wanted more but hinted instead of asking. Someone was unhappy but ghosted instead of communicating.
The arrangement partner I stayed with longest once told me, “I’ve dated women more beautiful and women more successful, but I’ve never dated anyone who communicates as clearly as you do. That’s why this works.” That stuck with me—because he was right. The clarity cut through so much potential bullshit.
Manage your emotions like the adult you are. This doesn’t mean suppressing feelings—it means having the self-awareness to notice them, process them, and decide how to handle them.
When I started catching feelings for someone I was in an arrangement with, I didn’t pretend they didn’t exist (denial) or immediately dump them on him (lack of boundaries). I sat with them. Talked to my therapist. Figured out what I actually wanted. Then I had a conversation: “Hey, I’m noticing I’m developing stronger feelings. I’m not asking you to change our arrangement, but I wanted to be honest. And I wanted to check in about whether that changes things for you.”
Turns out it didn’t—he appreciated the honesty, we recalibrated slightly to make sure I wasn’t getting hurt, and we continued. The relationship eventually ended for unrelated reasons, but that moment of emotional maturity prevented it from imploding prematurely.
Psychologist Dr. Brené Brown’s research on vulnerability has shown that the ability to be honest about our feelings—without requiring specific responses from others—is a cornerstone of authentic connection. This applies to sugar relationships just as much as any other dynamic.
Know when to walk away. This is maybe the most important skill, and the hardest to develop. Some arrangements have expiration dates built in—someone moves, circumstances change, the dynamic naturally evolves. Others need to be ended deliberately because they’ve become unhealthy.
Red flags that mean it’s time to go:
- He’s consistently disrespecting your boundaries after you’ve clearly communicated them
- Financial support is unreliable or comes with excessive strings/control
- You feel worse about yourself after time with him, not better
- The emotional labor has become exhausting rather than energizing
- You’re staying purely for financial reasons despite being unhappy
- There’s any hint of coercion, manipulation, or pressure around things you’ve said no to
I’ve left arrangements for all these reasons at various points. It’s never easy—there’s usually financial uncertainty on the other side of that door. But every single time, I’ve looked back and thought, “Thank god I respected myself enough to leave.”
The Bigger Picture: What This Lifestyle Actually Teaches You
Okay, we’re getting philosophical for a minute, but stay with me because this matters.
Being a sugar baby—doing it thoughtfully, not just surviving but actually engaging with the complexity—teaches you shit that most people never learn:
Negotiation as a life skill. After you’ve negotiated allowances, boundaries, terms of intimacy, and expectations with multiple people, every other negotiation in life feels easier. Asking for a raise? You’ve had harder conversations. Setting boundaries with family? You’ve done more uncomfortable emotional labor. The confidence that comes from knowing you can advocate for yourself is transferable everywhere.
The actual value of your time and energy. When you’re literally quantifying the worth of your companionship, it forces you to think about how you spend your time. Is this worth X dollars? Am I giving more than I’m receiving? These aren’t just questions for arrangements—they’re questions for jobs, friendships, all relationships.
I became way more selective about how I spent time after entering the bowl. If an arrangement partner wasn’t valuing my time appropriately, I knew it immediately because we’d explicitly discussed that value. It made me realize how many unpaid arrangements I’d been in—jobs that underpaid me, friends who took without reciprocating, family dynamics where I gave endlessly.
Comfort with complexity and nuance. Sugar relationships don’t fit neat categories. You can genuinely care about someone and still have a financial component to the relationship. You can be empowered by your choices and still sometimes feel conflicted. You can enjoy the lifestyle and still know it’s not forever.
Living in that grey area—the space between the stories society tells about women who date wealthy men and your actual lived experience—builds tolerance for ambiguity that serves you everywhere.
Clarity about what you actually want. When you strip away the conventional relationship escalator (dating, exclusivity, moving in, marriage, kids), you’re forced to ask: what do I actually want from connection with another person? Not what I’m supposed to want, not what would make my family happy, not what looks good on Instagram. What actually serves my life right now?
That clarity is rare and precious. I’ve watched friends stay in conventional relationships for years because they couldn’t answer that question. The structure of sugar dating requires you to answer it upfront.
Real Talk: Is This Right for You?
Look, I love this lifestyle. It’s given me financial freedom, incredible experiences, genuine connections, and personal growth I didn’t expect. But it’s not for everyone, and pretending it is does nobody any favors.
You might thrive as a sugar baby if:
- You can separate emotional connection from conventional relationship expectations
- You’re comfortable with ambiguity and non-traditional dynamics
- You have solid boundaries and the communication skills to maintain them
- You can handle societal judgment without internalizing it
- You’re strategic about money and won’t blow allowances on depreciating assets
- You genuinely enjoy the company of older, established men
- You can be discreet and respect privacy
- You have the emotional maturity to handle complex feelings when they arise
This lifestyle might not be right for you if:
- You’re looking for a conventional romantic relationship with a path to marriage
- You struggle with jealousy or need constant reassurance
- You can’t separate your self-worth from a partner’s treatment of you
- You need regular, predictable emotional support (arrangements are often less stable than traditional relationships)
- You have unresolved trauma around money, power, or intimacy that this would exacerbate
- You can’t be discreet or respect boundaries around privacy
- You’re doing this because you feel you have no other options (desperation attracts predators)
And honestly? You might try it and discover it’s not for you, and that’s totally valid. I’ve had friends dip in for a few months and decide it wasn’t their thing. The key is going in with eyes open, not with delusions about what it is or isn’t.
Moving Forward: Your Next Steps
So you’ve made it through this whole guide. You understand what a sugar baby actually is, what the lifestyle entails, what it requires of you. Now what?
If you’re considering entering the bowl:
Do your research beyond this article. Read multiple perspectives. Join forums where sugar babies talk candidly (anonymously). Understand the platforms where people meet and how they work. Learn about how to spot fake sugar daddies before you waste time on them.
Get your logistics in order. Have a separate phone number or app for initial contact. Set up financial systems that protect your primary accounts. Have your safety protocols down cold. Know your boundaries before you’re in a situation where you need to enforce them.
Start with realistic expectations. Your first arrangement probably won’t be perfect. You’ll make mistakes—saying yes when you should’ve said no, underselling yourself, not reading red flags. That’s part of the learning curve. Be patient with yourself but don’t ignore lessons.
Build your support system. Whether that’s other sugar babies, a therapist who gets it, or friends who won’t judge your choices, you need people who can hold space for the complexity. This lifestyle can be isolating if you’re navigating it totally alone.
If you’re already in the bowl but struggling:
Reassess your arrangements honestly. Are they serving you or are you just going through the motions? Are you being fairly compensated for your time and energy? Do you feel respected and valued? If not, what needs to change?
Invest in your exit strategy. Even if you love what you’re doing now, build the skills and resources that would let you leave if you wanted or needed to. The sugar babies who thrive long-term are the ones who maintain options.
Keep developing yourself. Don’t let your identity become entirely wrapped up in being someone’s sugar baby. You’re a full human with interests, goals, and value beyond your arrangement relationships. Keep nurturing that.
The Bottom Line
Being a sugar baby is simultaneously simpler and more complex than most people understand. It’s simpler in the sense that it’s a negotiated relationship with clear terms—none of the “what are we?” ambiguity that plagues conventional dating. It’s more complex in that it requires emotional intelligence, boundary-setting, and self-awareness that a lot of people never develop.
After eight years living this lifestyle—through the awkward beginnings, the arrangements that worked beautifully, the ones that taught me hard lessons, and everything in between—here’s what I know for sure:
Sugar relationships are just relationships. More honest about their terms than most, maybe, but still fundamentally about two people deciding what they want to create together. The financial component doesn’t negate the humanity on either side.
You can do this with integrity, self-respect, and intention. You can also do it in ways that diminish you. The difference is in the choices you make—about who you engage with, what boundaries you set, how you handle the complexities that arise.
Nobody can tell you whether being a sugar baby is right for you. That’s something you figure out by being honest with yourself about what you want, what you’re willing to give, and what you need to thrive. But if you do explore this world, do it with your eyes open, your standards high, and your sense of self intact.
Because at the end of the day, the most successful sugar babies I know aren’t the ones who perfectly perform a role. They’re the ones who figured out how to be fully themselves within an unconventional structure, who extracted value while giving value, who walked away with more than they came in with—financially, yes, but also in terms of confidence, experience, and self-knowledge.
That’s what being a sugar baby actually is. Not some glossy fantasy, not some degrading transaction, but a complex, human choice that can absolutely work if you approach it with the seriousness and self-awareness it deserves.
Now go forth and make informed decisions. And if you do enter the bowl? Message me in five years and tell me what you learned. I’m genuinely curious what the next generation figures out that I’m still learning.
